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johnboy
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I participated in a discussion somewhere else about a discussion somewhere else as follows and thought it would make food for thought, here.

I participated in a discussion on another listserv, recently, that
involved the drawing out of distinctions between extremism versus
fundamentalism. In short, extremism was characterized mostly
benignly and fundamentalism was mostly maligned.

I was in agreement with the overall thrust expressed by the other
participants in that thread re: extremism and fundamentalism. But
one other dynamic that emerged, I felt, was somewhat dismissive of
those who might occupy the "middle". There was some
additional
nuancing that I tried to tease out re: extremism by way of affirming
the roles of passion, activism and even "outliers". At the
same
time, there were no definitions in the M-W Online Dictionary for
fundamentalism that, for me, lacked a pejorative connotation of some
sort.

I want to share some thoughts, here, re: fundamentalism and the
middle inasmuch as they also pertain to a dynamism we encounter in
interreligious dialogue within the Catholic Church, especially re:
the more traditional and conservative elements over against the more
progressive and liberal elements, and then particularly as it
pertains to those who tend to occupy a middle ground, which has been
pejoratively described, on occasion, as muddling.

What I find most off-putting about fundamentalism is its inherent
lack of critical thinking and where that can lead one, much less the
many, especially when fueled by passion. But I want to tease out
further is the additional nuancing of what one might mean by middle
and muddle. One possible dynamic for the middle and that would,
indeed, be muddling. Muddling does conjure images of analysis
paralysis, lethargy, apathy, acedia and such, and, those images do,
for me, invite disdain. But the descriptor "muddling" is
not
exhaustive of the concept "middle".

I wrote an essay once regarding the roles of nonpartisans and
partisans and it gave more credit for changing history to
nonpartisans than many seem willing to concede. The nonpartisan role
can serve politics and religion in much the same way that the
synthesizers have served to advance the sciences, both natural and
social, as well as philosophy.

The wisdom traditions of the West have included the
"coincidentia
oppositorum" (the coincidence of opposites) and, of course,
dialectical process. Still, Thomas Merton felt that the East,
overall, did a much better job in reconciling opposites, such as,
for example, in the Middle Path of Buddhism. Merton, remember, was
dealing with spirituality. In my own life, what I have experienced
is that the Western approach to opposites, especially as found in
the neoplatonic influences on philosophy and theology, has greatly
aided my critical thinking in scientific endeavors, speculatively
and theoretically. It is the Eastern approach to opposites, however,
that has most advanced my practical living skills, mostly my
intrapersonal and interpersonal dynamics and my spirituality.

In summary, then, I wish to point out that there is nothing that
inheres in the middle that excludes passion, activism or critical
thinking, or that forecloses on the opportunity to largely influence
and greatly advance the natural and social sciences, and,
importantly, the course of political and military events. There is
one aspect of bridge-building that can be distressing, according to
Richard Rohr, and that is that bridges tend to get walked over by
people coming from both sides. Although Jesus, even, admonished the
lukewarm, that is to be distinguished, in my view, from what is
involved in taking the Middle Path. He was one to comfort the
afflicted but was also one who afflicted the comfortable and that
just might involve muddying the philosophical, scientific, political
and theological waters that others view as more pristine than they
actually are. One needn't add dirt or pollutants when muddling;
rather, one need only stir things up a bit to reveal the latent
turbidity.

The muddling middle just might be a genuine charism.

Truly,
john sobert sylvest

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spoonboy
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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice -- Barry Goldwater

As a political moderate I attract flak from both sides. I shoot both ways and then duck. Quack!
I get more warm fuzzies from my liberal freinds. I get them from my conservative freinds also, but one needs to get past a few cold prickleys at times.

I've been reading Atlantic Monthly, Harpers and The New Yorker and they all seem fairly balanced politically. This may be growth for yours truly.

As far as religion, I lean toward the evangelical, the fundamental and the literal. I see thomas Merton as politically moderate and conservative on religion, and he appeals to me very much. I would seek to emulate him. I tend to agree with the religious right on most issues, but it's a question of degrees. I am cooling somewhat, but the A.C.L.U. are some real stinkers, IMHO

It's been a decade since I was into Robertson and Falwell, but I like D. James Kennedy who is a Presbyterian in the John Knox and Calvinist tradition. He is an educated man with a half a dozen advanced degrees and a leader of the religious right, and I subscribe to many of his views.

The strange thing to me is that I barely know or associate with anyone who shares my views. In fact, when I find these views in others, I am sometimes put off by it. Perhaps I am growing toward the middle or perhaps I am a hypocrite whose views will not work in the real world.

Perhaps I shall join you in the muddle [Smile]

muddled.com <*))))><

[ July 16, 2004, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: mysticalmichael9 ]

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Brad
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I ran across an interesting phrase I hadn’t heard before: Reality will preserve its integrity. It was mentioned in a book review of The Truth Squad over at NRO.

quote:
Which proves that reality will preserve its integrity, despite what the New York Times says. And this leads to Bozell’s deeper contention: A media establishment so willing to make empirically falsifiable claims is losing touch with its very need for credibility. If you semi-automatically raise the specter of Vietnam over Afghanistan, only to have your fears disproven within weeks, you need to adjust your worldview. If you don’t, people will rightly suspect that your intellectual commitments are not rationally based, but rather a form of superstition. This suspicion is indeed mounting, and not just among political conservatives; it’s the reason so many Americans are tuning out the biased mainstream media and turning to other news sources.
Reality might preserve its own integrity, but does it always do it fast enough? And doesn’t speed count? Does the muddling middle help in preserving this integrity?
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Phil
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Good questions! I think sometimes the truth emerges only after emotions die down a bit. People with a strong emotional investment in a "position" or ideology frequently have a difficult time being open to truth. When you apply this observation to the media and its ideological biases (left and right), you can see how truth and reality are often the big losers, at least in the short run.

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Hi everyone...
Good heavens, I drop in after simply ages and what do I find but a discussion on the middle...just the topic addressed in an old theology journal I was wandering through recently. FYI.. the journal is Interpretation and the issue addresses the Church at the Center.
Here's something you may want to knock around a bit.

"In Christ and Culture, H.Richard Niebuhr's types are bounded at the left end by "Christ against culture" and on the right by the "Christ above culture". The church of the center is composed of a threesome: "Christ above culture," "Christ and culture in paradox," and "Christ transformer of culture." Gabriel Fackre

While it is true JT that bridges tend to be walked over by people from both sides, they also allow for freedom of movement along a continuim from one side to the other. Rather than culturally/denominationally/doctrinally centered don't bridges give one freedom to be Christologically centered?

Peace,
Wanda

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spoonboy
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God, grant me the serenity to accept the things
I cannot change, courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference,Accepting hardship as the pathway to peace, Taking this evil world as it is, not as I would have it, Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to his will, That I shall be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him forever in the next.

-Reinhold Niebuhr

I have the Richard Wightman Fox biography in the TBR stack.

Other Neoorthodox theologians would include Karl Barth (his Romans is excellent,) and Deitrich Bonhoeffer (Letters and Papers from Prison, Ethics , The Cost of Discipleship)

I also intend to read more Tillich and Tillehard de Chardin to round out the picture.

How can one be conservative without a comparison [Wink]

The muddling middle candidate, Pete Coors, beat out the conservative tonight in the Republican contest for the Senate race in November

Hooray 4 the muddling middle [Smile] mm

[ August 11, 2004, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: mysticalmichael9 ]

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Phil
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Ahh, there's Wanda again! [Smile]

And more gems from Michael.

[ August 11, 2004, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: Phil ]

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