Re: Magnificent Magnificats - True Glory (an Ortho-doxology)

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Posted by april on September 11, 1999 at 20:10:13:

In Reply to: Re: Magnificent Magnificats - True Glory (an Ortho-doxology) posted by johnboy on September 11, 1999 at 19:12:21:

jb:

: there are "passivities" which are nontransformative and saying "let it be done to me" must always be coupled with "according to Thy Word" ---and "Thy Word" is certainly not the emotional or physical abuse coming from a spouse

: there are those who prayerfully seek to be formed with an upright and mature conscience, who pay proper and dutiful deference to magisterial teachings, who nonetheless find themselves dissenting from authoritative teachings ... some may find the transformative path to be a quiet but difficult assent and obsequium, some might be called to prophetic protest

So, in a sense, it is a passivity that can
require real action. As in the case of the
prophet....right?

Because I am a woman I shudder at the way
passivity has been thrust upon us to
preserve the status quo. So I couldn't
really warm up to this poem or the idea.
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, it did
help somewhat. (I only had to use the
dictionary twice. ;)

For me, I think a dynamic balance is necessary...
an active passivity, if you will. It's a
surrender but an active surrender. "Use me," we
say, and, then, we wait to hear what our
intuitive promptings might be or what the external
environment has in store for us.

: i suppose the key to this is that passivity isn't the "only" transformative path and that not all passivity is transformative

Good distinction, yes.

: the true beauty of Nouwen's final gift to us is that He helps us rediscover a path that has too long been disparaged, ignored or neglected

: it is deserving of our attention because of its prominence in the Gospel Mysteries

I guess I am thinking about Mary. I think
her so called passivity is often misconstrued to
maintain male privilege. It must have taken a
combination
of pure trust, love, and a dash of chutzpah to
say that very active/passive, "yes."

: hope this helps,
:
Much! :)

Gratitude,

april

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: jb: : : there are "passivities" which are nontransformative and saying "let it be done to me" must always be coupled with "according to Thy Word" ---and "Thy Word" is certainly not the emotional or physical abuse coming from a spouse : : there are those who prayerfully seek to be formed with an upright and mature conscience, who pay proper and dutiful deference to magisterial teachings, who nonetheless find themselves dissenting from authoritative teachings ... some may find the transformative path to be a quiet but difficult assent and obsequium, some might be called to prophetic protest : So, in a sense, it is a passivity that can : require real action. As in the case of the : prophet....right? : Because I am a woman I shudder at the way : passivity has been thrust upon us to : preserve the status quo. So I couldn't : really warm up to this poem or the idea. : Thanks for the clarification. Yes, it did : help somewhat. (I only had to use the : dictionary twice. ;) : For me, I think a dynamic balance is necessary... : an active passivity, if you will. It's a : surrender but an active surrender. "Use me," we : say, and, then, we wait to hear what our : intuitive promptings might be or what the external : environment has in store for us. : : i suppose the key to this is that passivity isn't the "only" transformative path and that not all passivity is transformative : Good distinction, yes. : : the true beauty of Nouwen's final gift to us is that He helps us rediscover a path that has too long been disparaged, ignored or neglected : : it is deserving of our attention because of its prominence in the Gospel Mysteries : I guess I am thinking about Mary. I think : her so called passivity is often misconstrued to : maintain male privilege. It must have taken a : combination : of pure trust, love, and a dash of chutzpah to : say that very active/passive, "yes." : : : hope this helps, : : : Much! :) : Gratitude, : april

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