Posted by Anne Ward on May 15, 1999 at 11:51:10:
In Reply to: Re: one or both? posted by johnboy on May 14, 1999 at 15:14:51:
following the judgment and custom of the Church,[2] declares and okay, johnboy...thanks to you, I think I've got it, by George! The above was taken from Council of Trent..and it says to me the following: 1. unless one has the right to offer the sacrifice, such as duly appointed priest, one is not to receive both forms 2. that this is part of the custom of the Church [now to find WHEN that became a custom!] 3. even though Jesus Instituted both at the last supper to the Apostles [important point!] and this did not 'signfiy that all the faithful are by an enactment of the Lord to receive under both forms." Council of Trent, Ch. 1 4. Also in John 6, according to Council of Trent, communion of both form was not enjoined by our Lord, "notwithstanding the various interpretatiuons of it by the Holy Fahters and Doctors". [again C. of T., ch. 1 Let's see if I *might* have this right: Even though there were other followers of Jesus [disciples], they were not included in the Last Supper as plainly stated! Therefore, the institution of and carrying out of this Last Supper is to be done by the apostles...not just any ole body who feels like it. I think the key for me is that it was instituted by Jesus BUT give ONLY to the apostles who became the bishops of the Church. And thereby protecting the Eucharist from being 'sacrificed' by any ole tom, dick or harry! [excuse me, but best way I know how to put it]. "declares and teaches that laymen and clerics when NOT offering the sacrifice are" not bound to receive under foth forms : EWTN and the Council of Trent ...you know some folks equate the two ... but let me affirm that there is much good that comes from both of those sources! : well, i'd better not misbehave or i will be banished from here and forever sent to the limbo of the jokes and tales message board : just know, there's a LOT that's taken place since those conciliar councils, all of 'em ... and the Holy Spirit's a blowin' all over!!!!
teaches that laymen and clerics when not offering the sacrifice are
bound by no divine precept to receive the sacrament of the Eucharist
under both forms, and that there can be no doubt at all,
salvation.
And if I understand this correctly, if a priest celebrates/sacrifices, a fellow priest who might be in the congregation can only receive the bread. Only if he con-celebrates may he partake of both forms.