Posted by Anne Ward on June 29, 19101 at 08:10:28:
In Reply to: Re: Where is the Body of Christ? posted by Diana on June 29, 19101 at 04:08:19:
**I am NOT Phil....that is obvious, but for the life of me, I can't let this pass by without a few
comments....and remember: all is said in love!**
Diana: : : Just an additional note.....I can't imagine a God of overwhelming Love denying the
Body of Christ
in the Eucharist to other members of the Body of Christ. I think this practice is making the
Eucharist a
stumbling block.
Phil: Well, yes, that it is: a stumbling block. "And many of his disciples left him . . ."
Diana"Don't quite understand the relevance of this quote here, Phil. Do you think that one
leaves Christ
because one has varying opinions about this issue?
**how about checking out John 6.......
as for denying the Body of Christ to other members of the Body of Christ....well, if they are in
communion with Rome, no problem.....if they are protestant ...then check out your canon
law...such as 844.3 which is easily found inside of a missalette....
None of us can reconstruct the Church to fit our own personal desires.....that is a bit mindful of
being protestant--except they will go form their own church. :)**
How about "....I have come to call sinners, not the self-righteous." (Mark, 2:17)
**Diana..that is taking things out of context...and if we are going that way: "I tell you the truth,
no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he born of water and the Spirit."....or how about
Repent...of your sins....
taking verses out of context is one of the prime methods of those who hold to sola scriptura**
: I tried reading these exchanges and found it tedious. It's one thing to say that believers
constitute the
Body of Christ, but quite another to say that this entitles just anyone to Eucharist. Even in that
idyllic
time we call the early Church, serious sin was a reason to refuse the Eucharist to someone.
When
one is in sin, one is cut off, as it were, from the body (mortal sin, especially), and so to receive
Eucharist is a counter-symbol and Paul states that it's even detrimental--can cause spiritual
problems.
Diana replied: My question would be: "Who are you or any external figure to determine that the
person is in a
serious state of sin?" You have no awareness of the inner workings of the person that would
constitute a state in which they would be capable of commiting sin. You have no knowledge of
their
wounds, their psychological make-up, their
foundational formation, or their reasons for a particular behavior. Commiting serious sin includes
both
knowledge and intention.
**how do YOU know they aren't committing serious sin, Diana? You don't; Nor Phil, nor I,
but certain actions do certainly call things into question.
how about using the Catechims of the Cathollic Church as the authority rather than one's own
viewpoint. The Church has stated WHO may and WHO may not receive our Lord in the
Eucharist......and if that is good enough for the Pope, than it is good enough for me....
and just for fun....check out Dominus Iesus and Liturgica Authenticam [hope I spelled that one
right! :)] **
As for the reception of the Eucharist causing spiritual problems, Christ came to call the sinner,
not the
self-righteous. Christ came precisely for the people who hurt and needed him,
How can anyone deny that or deny them the very medicine that they need?
**again, Diana...check the Catechism and the canon law, Dominus Iesus**
: Catholics refusing Communion to Protestants is a little more difficult to justify sometimes, but
many
do not believe it is what Catholics do. Also, it is at the heart of Catholic spiritual life, so why
should a
Protestant want to share in that?
Because Protestants also believe in Christ.
**BUT they do NOT believe in transubstantiation, which is the heart of why they are not
allowed to receive.......READ your catechism and canon law ....**
: You all can carry on without me now. Enjoy . .
Yes, thanks for your comments and allowing us to post our thoughts on your boards.
As I already told Anne in a previous post, I've had my opportunity to express my thoughts
about all
this and my part in the exchange is drawing to a close. I'd love to hear the thoughts of others
about
this important issue. I think where we see the Body of Christ determines where we stand in
many of
the polarizing issues present in the Church today.
**Diana...it would appear that you desire to use the board to put forth teachings that appear to
be counter to the teachings of the Church itself.. The polarizing appears to come from those
who want NOT to accept the teachings of the Church and the Magisterium....**
Diana: "Interesting"
**very interesting Diana....
hopefully a new thread can begin.....and if one desires to put forth views that are opposite those
of the Church, please say so. We are to be ecumenical but not at the cost of saying the
teachings of the Church don't apply cause we don't like those teachings.
so much for dialogue. It just seems that you, Diana, are wanting to rewrite the teachings of the
Church...and bless ya, none of can do that. Boy, wouldn't it be a riot if we could.....:)
I love ya .....y'all be good now, y'hear!?