Re: Rainbow Sash

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Posted by Phil on July 03, 19101 at 06:11:59:

In Reply to: Re: Rainbow Sash posted by nickholl on July 03, 19101 at 04:14:05:

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: Hi Diana,

: Thank you so very much for that rich tapestry of images and thoughts from such great thinkers and theologians about the Shared Meal and Table Fellowship of Christ... and Eucharist.

: You say it's a tough issue... I agree! So let me ask you a tough question. Are there any situations/cicumstances when you believe we should turn someone away from Eucharist? Can you imagine any such situation?

: Kindness,

: Nick

: : Hi Nick!

: : Welcome to our discussion.

: : I found a few relevant quotes from a book entitled, "The Ragamuffin Gospel" by Brennan Manning. According to the book jacket, Manning has made his home in Louisiana and speaks about God's unconditional love through Willie Juan Ministries.

: : Manning talks in great detail about Jesus and his practice of sharing meals with all. It is difficult to choose a single quote.....the gist of it is....."It did not escape the Pharisees' attention that Jesus meant to befriend the rabble. He was not only breaking the law, He was destroying the very structure of Jewish society........" Manning goes on...."Consciously or unconsciously, the social gadflies of our day do not underestimate the ritual power of meal sharing. Jesus' sinner guests were well aware that table fellowship entailed more than mere politeness or courtesy. It meant peace, acceptance, reconciliation, and brotherhood." (p
: : 61)

: : Manning, then, quotes Schillebeeckx, "For Jesus this fellowship at table with those whom the devout had written off was not merely the expression of liberal tolerance and humanitarian sentiment. It was the expression of his mission and message: peace and reconciliation for all, without exception, ever for the moral failures." (p. 61)

: : Manning goes on..."By accepting them as friends and equals Jesus had taken away their shame, humiliation, and guilt. By showing them that they mattered to him as people he gave them a sense of dignity and released them from their old captivity......" (P. 60)

: : He also points out that a possible dinner guest list with Jesus would include "a ragtag parade of donkey peddlers, prostitues, herdsmen, slumlords, and gamblers. A social climber Jesus was not."
: : (p. 61)

: : I like Manning's focus on the Unconditional Love of God. I don't think that means we have to
: : approve or even like what someone else is doing
: : but I do think that we are called to accept them.
: : I think table fellowship symbolizes a "shared life." (p 59)

: : I think it is incredibly harmful to the psyche of people who are continually and constantly excluded
: : and shunned. I would guess it contribues to many suicides. I wonder how it demonstrates the Unconditional Love of God.

: : This sure is a tough issue!

: : Just adding my two cents,

: : Diana

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: : : : Hi Diana, : : Thank you so very much for that rich tapestry of images and thoughts from such great thinkers and theologians about the Shared Meal and Table Fellowship of Christ... and Eucharist. : : You say it's a tough issue... I agree! So let me ask you a tough question. Are there any situations/cicumstances when you believe we should turn someone away from Eucharist? Can you imagine any such situation? : : Kindness, : : Nick : : : : Hi Nick! : : : Welcome to our discussion. : : : I found a few relevant quotes from a book entitled, "The Ragamuffin Gospel" by Brennan Manning. According to the book jacket, Manning has made his home in Louisiana and speaks about God's unconditional love through Willie Juan Ministries. : : : Manning talks in great detail about Jesus and his practice of sharing meals with all. It is difficult to choose a single quote.....the gist of it is....."It did not escape the Pharisees' attention that Jesus meant to befriend the rabble. He was not only breaking the law, He was destroying the very structure of Jewish society........" Manning goes on...."Consciously or unconsciously, the social gadflies of our day do not underestimate the ritual power of meal sharing. Jesus' sinner guests were well aware that table fellowship entailed more than mere politeness or courtesy. It meant peace, acceptance, reconciliation, and brotherhood." (p : : : 61) : : : Manning, then, quotes Schillebeeckx, "For Jesus this fellowship at table with those whom the devout had written off was not merely the expression of liberal tolerance and humanitarian sentiment. It was the expression of his mission and message: peace and reconciliation for all, without exception, ever for the moral failures." (p. 61) : : : Manning goes on..."By accepting them as friends and equals Jesus had taken away their shame, humiliation, and guilt. By showing them that they mattered to him as people he gave them a sense of dignity and released them from their old captivity......" (P. 60) : : : He also points out that a possible dinner guest list with Jesus would include "a ragtag parade of donkey peddlers, prostitues, herdsmen, slumlords, and gamblers. A social climber Jesus was not." : : : (p. 61) : : : I like Manning's focus on the Unconditional Love of God. I don't think that means we have to : : : approve or even like what someone else is doing : : : but I do think that we are called to accept them. : : : I think table fellowship symbolizes a "shared life." (p 59) : : : I think it is incredibly harmful to the psyche of people who are continually and constantly excluded : : : and shunned. I would guess it contribues to many suicides. I wonder how it demonstrates the Unconditional Love of God. : : : This sure is a tough issue! : : : Just adding my two cents, : : : Diana : : : : : : : :

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