Click around the web site a bit. Some interesting photos.
There really are a lot of UFO sightings, but what are they, really? My Dad and Mom saw one at our home in Mansura years ago: several red lights hovering above the horizon at dusk a mile or so away . . . dogs barking everywhere . . . the lights then rising straight up at an incredible speed and eventually disappearing.
Me, I've never seen one.
Have you?
What do you think about UFOs?
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I've gone around and around with it and I just don't really know, which kind of bothers me at times, this not knowing. "Some things, Scully, can't be categorized, quantified or easily referenced." -Agent Mulder
Authority figures such as Carl Jung, who was very interested in the paranormal, described them as mass hallucination. Ken Wilber says the same thing about abductions. David Hawkins says they calibrate as "false," etc.
Then there are so many pilots and astronauts and other credible sources(Presidents), and we have all seen films, so, I'm pretty confused. The article mentions Florida. There is a story I first noticed a couple of months ago about Jackie Gleason, Richard Nixon and aliens in Florida:
Probably alot of "crap circles" which go with the territory, but it's good to break the social taboo about discussing it. According to wikipedia, about 70% of U.S. citizens believe the government has not been forthcoming. That's alot of people....
That's a stunning photo, imo, and the blowup of it seems authentic. Take it from an amateur graphic artist that it wouldn't be easy to past the UFO behind the tree, or vice versa.
Check out the rather critical appraisal of the photo here. The author does a nice job going over the possibilities and comes out intrigued, as I am.
And the thing about it is that there are lots of these kinds of unexplained incidents.
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1975 or so. Cliff Jeansonne of Mansura, La. reported to me that one morning around dawn, while squirrel hunting at Old River near Mansura, a cigar-shaped craft around 50 ft. long hovered over the trees where he was hunting, humming lightly, but driving his squirrel dog nuts. The craft just eased away -- no lights or other phenomena. He had made a career in the service and had never seen anything like this. It frighted the living daylights out of him.
I've not heard anything else like this from anyone, but he was as credible a witness as I think one could ever find. Too bad Cliff has since passed away.
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Isn't that one of those Jack'n the Box car aerial attachments?
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The questions begs, why would a super-advanced alien spacecraft, particularly one not beholden to FAA rules, have running lights?
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. . . one of those little styrofoam Jack n' the Box heads that are fitted onto car antennas?
I must have missed out on that little piece of culture. Sounds amusing.
Brad, those lights seem to be more spotlights than running lights. One could posit that even advanced aliens see better with more light. At any rate, what the devil is that thing?
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Brad, those lights seem to be more spotlights than running lights. One could posit that even advanced aliens see better with more light.
Well, just trying to logically deduce (or is that "induce?"). If a number of these sightings are true, and if there is an alien civilization and technology behind these sightings, I think it fair to deduce that, at least at the moment, either they don’t want to be seen and have rather crappy stealth technology (shoot…the infrared systems soldiers use are far better), these are simple instances of malfunctioning equipment (or operator error), they’re running some kind of cultural experiment to gauge our reaction to such novel sightings, it’s a plan to desensitize and acclimate us in preparation for their "coming out", these are teenage space aliens who have "borrowed" the family car and are out for a joy ride, these are aliens (teenagers or adults) just having fun pulling a prank on us humans (remember the fun we all use to have playing "ring and run"?), or, because they are so far from home and spare parts are hard to come by, they’re down to their last few functioning vehicles (sort of scraping the bottom of the barrel) and they’re now flying around in their equivalent of the Edsel.
About now, WC’s Jack in the Box aerial attachment is sounding a lot like Occam's Razor.
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All fine and well for the realm of rhetorical musing, Brad. Personally, I have no idea what's going on and no commitment to a "position," here. But it's clear that what we have are phenemena which, even after subjection to the most rigorous critiques, remain unexplained -- hence, UFOs.
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All fine and well for the realm of rhetorical musing, Brad. Personally, I have no idea what's going on and no commitment to a "position," here. But it's clear that what we have are phenemena which, even after subjection to the most rigorous critiques, remain unexplained -- hence, UFOs.
Well, I wouldn’t waste mental energy on something that I thought had no phenomenological substance to it, even if it is perhaps only perceptual or psychological in nature, as opposed to actual. It could also be a combination of both, that there are real aliens from outer space and that just a very few credible sightings can spawn a torrent of bogus, psychologically-based "sightings" where smudges, scratches, or chemical stains on a piece of film (as with that John Glenn photo) are taken as evidence of UFOs.
But until we have more tangible evidence in hand, I think it’s likely that it’s all attributable to more mundane explanations, particularly considering that there seems to be such a huge psychological "want to see them" "or afraid to find them" component. I’ve heard that UFO sightings really took off during the cold war and particularly when we started to make our forays into space. Not that there aren’t ancient legends and such, but this whole subject seems to be a modern phenomenon and that seems a bit too coincidental to me. A possible logical explanation for UFOs at this time would be, of course, that this would be exactly the time in earth history when an alien race would most want to observe us (or secretly influence us so that we don’t blow ourselves up with our nuclear weapons).
Not that you, Phil, equate "unidentified object or phenomenon" with space aliens, but many, if not most, do. And I think this exposes one of the main fallacies of this whole endeavor. There are all kinds of coincidences and odd anomalies that occur, or are perceived as occurring, and this would be as expected in a culture of billions of independent minds in various states and in various circumstances. UFO-ology seems to have simply become a garbage collector for unexplained phenomenon – phenomenon that one ought to simply statistically expect in such a chaotic, diverse, and rich existence. I’ll wait for better evidence than photographs. Photographs are easily faced these day and I think even that one that you posted would be a breeze to do with today’s off-the-shelf software. Photoshop, in particular, has become very good at selecting those fine edges of things such as branches and thus it makes the compositing of such images nothing particularly difficult at all if one has a couple hours to burn.
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And let me give a little background on my beliefs:
I expect that it is possible to make contact with, or to be otherwise made of aware of, space aliens. But due to the large distances between stars, and I think a reasonable estimate of the number of hi-tech cultures who are both near enough to us to have ventured out and who have actually ventured out, I don’t expect to run into them on this planet. A couple other logical explanations are that a high-tech culture evolved ahead of us on this same planet or perhaps evolved on Mars before Mars became uninhabitable. But the Mars possibility seems remote because of the lack of apparent alien artifacts on Mars as well as the fact the because earth did produce life and so therefore the reverse seems likely (at least some day) that life will move from earth to Mars and not the other way around. And as far as the idea of some advanced technological society having evolved ahead of us on this planet and having decided to stay in hiding, well, there’s no evidence of this advanced culture.
A more likely scenario, if we are indeed seeing space ships full of space aliens from other star systems, is that others have found a way past the speed-of-light barrier, perhaps using something like wormholes or techniques yet unimagined. This seems at least a decent possibility to me and the most likely one if we’re truly observing space aliens on earth.
But like I said, I don’t expect this kind of contact to be made. But what does leave me scratching my head is why SETI has not yet made contact. If one sees how sentient life has spread across our own planet, and prepares to do so in the coming centuries across our own solar system as well, it seems odd to me that, given billions of years, there are not vast regions of our own galaxy that do not noticeably show signs of being occupied and colonized by sentient life. Evidence of this could come via an abundance of radio (or some other part of the spectrum) waves coming from a certain region in space, or, and I do not think this unlikely, large structures of some kind that are meant as nothing more than art. For all we know, civilizations whose technology dwarfs are own would have moved entire stars into artistic alignment, or used robots (who can make copies of themselves as well) to assemble large reflective structures out of the interstellar gas and dust.
As humans, throughout history we have always spent an inordinate amount of our time and resources on nothing but symbols, sometimes political in nature, sometimes religious in nature, sometimes purely artistically secular in nature, but some of these things have been among the largest things we have ever built. Even if life isn’t particularly common in the galaxy, given the billions of years we’re talking about in which even just one surviving hi-tech society could have done something that is noticeable from our vantage point here on earth, we really ought to expect that we can look out with our various listening and looking devices and see something that screams "intelligence".
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No doubt a lot is psychological projection, fakes, and what not. Nevertheless, Brad, there are a number of cases that are certainly curious and quite compellingly . . . "unidentified."
Remember this one from a few years ago. Hundreds of people saw it and the news carried it. Still no accounting for the phenomenon to date. Check out the movies.
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Even if life isn’t particularly common in the galaxy, given the billions of years we’re talking about in which even just one surviving hi-tech society could have done something that is noticeable from our vantage point here on earth, we really ought to expect that we can look out with our various listening and looking devices and see something that screams "intelligence".
Well, yes, one would think . . . Of course, as you noted, the distance between stars is phenomenal. Then there's the possibility of a certain deterioration of whatever signals are being given. Then there's the possibility that they're on frequencies we're not listening to. I don't know. But with UFOs practically "in our face," it would seem that SETIs work isn't the only possible source of info on the topic.
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Well, yes, one would think . . . Of course, as you noted, the distance between stars is phenomenal.
Yes, one is forced to sort of trade time, or unforeseen technology, to pay for that distance…or to eliminate the need for distance altogether by supposing the aliens originate from our own solar system.
Then there's the possibility of a certain deterioration of whatever signals are being given. Then there's the possibility that they're on frequencies we're not listening to.
Good point. I think SETI focuses on listening to wavelengths where we suppose that space aliens might intentionally try to communicate with us. Those also, I think, tend to be wavelengths that are simply easier for us listen to and to discriminate potentially ET sources because of the relative lack of noise in those wavelengths. There are other rationales for those wavelengths as well, I’m quite sure. But what we don’t seem to do is to listen to wavelengths that civilizations like us are putting out in abundance. I think for one thing, those wavelengths deteriorate or become weaker with distance or simply are mixed in with the noise of not only the signals in this range that we make but that the universe itself tends to make. So I think you’re right. And who knows, maybe SETI will strike gold tomorrow. But look at us. Are we, right now, specifically sending out information on those SETA wavelengths? I don’t think we are. I know of no such project, at least anything potentially powerful enough to be heard.
And wouldn’t that be interesting, brother Phil, to find out that because it’s not common that space aliens broadcast in such a "useless" way that there are mostly happy and productive capitalists out there filling up the airwaves, just as we do, in regions that make use of things such as cell phones, microwaves, television signals, radio signals, etc. And galaxy-wide the powers that be may spend very little time with such impractical, highly pie-in-the-sky socialistic programs such as spending billions of dollars to keep some large government program and infrastructure in place to do no more than to broadcast some humongous and expensive signal into space that says "We are here."
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Seems there have been lots of UFO sightings reported lately. I've been intrigued by this topic for years, as some of the cases seem compelling. E.g., the recent sighting by hundreds at O'Hare airport, Chicago, of an object hovering overhead.
A recent history channel episode examined "trace evidence," which usually pertains to phenomena associated with alleged landing sites. They spent quite a bit of time on this one, where the soil was significantly changed -- a few rare acids found in high concentrations.
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That's minimally what we're talking about, and everyone ought to be able to go along with that (that they're unidentified flying objects). The e.t. possibility is what's intriguing, of course.
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quote:Originally posted by Phil: That's minimally what we're talking about, and everyone ought to be able to go along with that (that they're unidentified flying objects). The e.t. possibility is what's intriguing, of course.
Right you are! Although it should be obvious, I wanted to point out that UFO is a neutral acronym. Unfortunately people equate it with "flying saucer" or "alien spacecraft", and it ain’t so.
Actually I think some of the natural explanations (of some UFO phenomena) are incredibly intriguing, even before we get to that small remnant that may have an ET connection.
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You may wish to check this out: Project Hessdalen. (English version also)
This is an area of Norway where there has been unusually many UFO sightings.
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At any rate, what the devil is that thing?
