Posted by johnboy on September 14, 19100 at 16:29:48:
In Reply to: Re: Wilberish Posting-A Meta-Ethic from Complexity Theory posted by Diana on September 13, 19100 at 16:14:05:
: I think the author is attempting to construct and articulate his own worldview as a part of his attempt to live an examined life. I would guess you are attempting to do something similar in your Christocentric version.
Well, I should have made clear that I was the author. What I am doing, is s--t--r--etching my worldview to its internally coherent limits in an effort to dialogue with some materialist friends in an externally congruent manner.
: I don't know what "ding an sich noumenal"reality means but I'm guessing it's German for a particular view of reality.
I'm just distinguishing between reality *as it is* and reality as it is actually experienced in our sensations, perceptions, motivations, cognitively, affectively, etc (Kant)
: I liked his general categorization of 8 worldviews in an attempt to facilitate dialogue and lay the framework for a "global ethic." However, if he doesn't articulate his material in an easy to read format, how could it possibly become accepted globally? I guess it would have to filter down through the intellectuals.
Fortunately, the Gospel does the trick, along with the mystical teaching office, tradition and scripture, so I don't have to struggle with my own global agenda and the world needn't wait for me to take a few education courses! or writing courses, for that matter. Trickle down economies of salvation work about as well as trickle down economics --not that theologians don't have a role, it's just that their role is not always an evangelistic one.
: I also like the assertion that attainment of the aesthetic "does not result from a purposeful striving but rather from randomness, chance and chaos." (p. 3) I wouldn't call it "randomness, chance, and chaos." I would call it grace.
You HAVE caught on and have my permission to write the Christocentric version.
: Well, that's where I am so far. I'm much better with comic strips like Peanuts and Doonesbury. :)
My FAVORITE Peanuts strip: Snoopy is on top of his dog house, typewriter at the ready and Charlie Brown asks: "Whatcha doin'?" and Snoopy replies:"Writin' a book on theology." Charlie asks:"What's the title?" and Snoopy responds:"Has It Ever Occured to You That You Might Be Wrong?"
: Am I even close?
You are probably closer to where I am coming from than even I am because I'm too close to the situation. : Oh, I was wondering what level of consciousness this man was speaking from. I am guessing he is I'll let Phil answer that. Personally, I think the man is living in his head. : I am impressed. Yet, there is a great difference between a Meister Eckhart and an Aquinas. I think Eckhart is more to the heart of the matter. BUT there is little difference between Eckhart and Aquinas whose later perspective was that his Summa was "so much straw"! : Thank you so much johnboy. I do nurture an inner tension on the axes of Rahner-deMello, Aquinas-Eckhart, Ignatius-Juan de la Cruz --- to place my prayer and consciousness thread in context and to witness how the tension resolves itself (I don't resolve it) --you can checkout http://members.xoom.com/Sobert/johnboy.html
: speaking from a very developed vision-logic consciousness on the mental level.
where the first part is the p&c contribution and the second, the more ...mystical.