Re: Wilberish Posting-A Meta-Ethic from Complexity Theory

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: jb: : : Well, I should have made clear that I was the author. What I am doing, is s--t--r--etching my worldview to its internally coherent limits in an effort to dialogue with some materialist friends in an externally congruent manner. : Oops! I am embarassed! I mistakenly thought it was Haught. Now, you know just what I think of your work! It wasn't that bad, was it? : And now you also know how I am. Attempting to dialogue with me is probably like talking to an insect for you. Oh, well, I couldn't hide it for long anyway. Now, I'm free to be me. :) : : : : : I don't know what "ding an sich noumenal"reality means but I'm guessing it's German for a particular view of reality. : : I'm just distinguishing between reality *as it is* and reality as it is actually experienced in our sensations, perceptions, motivations, cognitively, affectively, etc (Kant) : : So, then, it follows that you think that what we experience is different from reality as it is : because what we experience is processed through our sensations, perceptions, etc? : : : I liked his general categorization of 8 worldviews in an attempt to facilitate dialogue and lay the framework for a "global ethic." However, if he doesn't articulate his material in an easy to read format, how could it possibly become accepted globally? I guess it would have to filter down through the intellectuals. : : Fortunately, the Gospel does the trick, along with the mystical teaching office, tradition and scripture, so I don't have to struggle with my own global agenda and the world needn't wait for me to take a few education courses! or writing courses, for that matter. Trickle down economies of salvation work about as well as trickle down economics --not that theologians don't have a role, it's just that their role is not always an evangelistic one. : John, some of your distinctions did get through to me. I began to see where I was in the : worldview categories. That also helped me see where others were. In an indirect fashion, it reminded me of why I disagree so vehemently with : some opinions and get along so well with others. : : : : : I also like the assertion that attainment of the aesthetic "does not result from a purposeful striving but rather from randomness, chance and chaos." (p. 3) I wouldn't call it "randomness, chance, and chaos." I would call it grace. : : You HAVE caught on and have my permission to write the Christocentric version. : When you finish the Christocentric version, let me have a go at it, okay? : : I liked your emphasis on the aesthetic, too. : However, beauty also varies according to culture. : A beautiful woman in one culture could be considered quite ugly in another. : : : : Well, that's where I am so far. I'm much better with comic strips like Peanuts and Doonesbury. :) : : My FAVORITE Peanuts strip: Snoopy is on top of his dog house, typewriter at the ready and Charlie Brown asks: "Whatcha doin'?" and Snoopy replies:"Writin' a book on theology." Charlie asks:"What's the title?" and Snoopy responds:"Has It Ever Occured to You That You Might Be Wrong?" : : I love it!!! THAT I understand. : ......... : : : Oh, I was wondering what level of consciousness this man was speaking from. I am guessing he is : : : speaking from a very developed vision-logic consciousness on the mental level. : : I'll let Phil answer that. Personally, I think the man is living in his head. : Isn't that where most thinkers live? ;) : I'm glad you shared a little bit about your experiences in your posts to Phil. I can't imagine anything more complete than your command of the language along with your knowledge from experience. What a gift! : I have had experiences of oneness, too. Glimpses : of the interconnectedness of all things. Intuitive knowings that all is as it "should" be...Totally serendipitous gifts....the increase in synchronicities....and the experience of being loved so totally and completely that it shakes me to the core of my being. However without your command of the language, I am left with sharing creative versions of my stories via fairy tales and children's stories. After all, what logical minded rationalist would believe them! : : : : I am impressed. Yet, there is a great difference between a Meister Eckhart and an Aquinas. I think Eckhart is more to the heart of the matter. : : BUT there is little difference between Eckhart and Aquinas whose later perspective was that his Summa was "so much straw"! : Yes, at the end, he finally got it right! : I am praying some of our magisterium has this insight..... and soon. :) : : : Thank you so much johnboy. : : I do nurture an inner tension on the axes of Rahner-deMello, Aquinas-Eckhart, Ignatius-Juan de la Cruz --- to place my prayer and consciousness thread in context and to witness how the tension resolves itself (I don't resolve it) --you can checkout http://members.xoom.com/Sobert/johnboy.html : : where the first part is the p&c contribution and the second, the more ...mystical. : I'd love to hear more about your mystical experiences! : Thank you. : I hope you didn't mind my comments about your paper too much. : I can be such an airhead! : Diana

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