Posted by CeCe Light on September 27, 19100 at 17:42:45:
In Reply to: Sin, Soul, Self, Catholicism posted by Philip St. Romain on September 27, 19100 at 17:41:40:
>: I hear you, CeCe. I'm on retreat now deep in the Cascades,<
..then what the hell are you doing here?
>>: I have no knowledge of saints at all except that they come with names.<<
>: They're really worth learning about CeCe. Some of them have become good friends of mine.<
Okay. Define "Saint."
>>>: John of the Cross writes:
: The soul thereby becomes divine, God through participation, insofar as is possible in this life. And thus I think that this state never occurs without the soul's being confirmed in grace, for the faith of both is confirmed when God's faith in the soul is here confirmed."<<<
>>: The "Soul" (Dear John,) was never not Divine, how could it be if in fact we came from God which is All Divine.<<
>: In the Catholic Tradition, at least, the Soul is created by God and sustained by God, but it is a creature: not-God. As such, it is capable of departing from God's ways (sin),<
"departing from Gods ways?"
And what might that be? Gods ways?
I'm assuming in your book, God is only some things and not all things.
I don't know, Phil, but I was raised a Roman Catholic myself and taught that God is "EVERYTHING!" "EVERYWHERE!"
Does this still stand or has that changed as well?
And if it hasn't, then God can't be just some things and not the other -
Yes God is All Positive, yet human beings have the potential to reach Christhood, no? Even scripture quotes Jesus as saying to the masses, "That of which I can do, you can do better!" And Jesus was supposedly God's son, so if Jesus said, "that of which I can do, you can do better" being Gods son and speaking to the masses of having the same potential, then it stands to reason that all human beings are Gods children as well having the same potential as Jesus which is God in Flesh.
Now that would make us God too, but which side of God would we represent? Surely not All-positive as there is much negativity here, and none with God, so it must be that we as human beings are this negative side to God as we come to express Him through our limited consciousness.
God in its purity is but the male aspect/penis/sperm/that of which is needed to create, make manifest in a creation, with us being the female/vagina/womb of manifestation/incubation and so on and so on and so on - for God cannot produce any fruits here without our aid to manifest Him, justify Him, however negative it seems, it is still positive and perfect.
So in this light, I see no departure from His ways as He is All and Everything, even supposed sin, for if he did not create supposed sin to be had, that would imply an entity in opposition to Him, of a dualistic nature in the universe calling himself Mr. Devil and I don't believe this entity to be anything but that of illusion and darkness as a result of limited consciousness to that of our full potential in being as God-like as Jesus said we were.
Now, would He lie?
All are Gods ways as we, through our limited consciousness come to express Him, and the supposed negativity you see here on earth is but the result of this limited consciousness, yet always in and bound by Divine Providence and that alone would make it positive.
: : >>: The human soul continues to exist and its perfection will not be completed until it is fully established in heaven.<<
: : That's funny, but my communication tells me the human soul is already perfected, it is just our consciousness which lacks this awareness.
: Perfect in the sense that what comes from the hand of God is good, CeCe, but definitely distorted by its woundings, conditioning, karma, etc., so that it's will is focused on eneds other than divine union.
All roads lead to Rome Philip.
>I think it important to bump my intuitions and insights up against a Tradition that has already compiled a wisdom about such matters.<
...and you're entitled.
>let's remember that our personal intuitions are not absolute.<
...nor are those "Traditions..."
for God gave you access to mind for good reason.
I said "GOOD REASON" - meaning for use of good reasoning...
Okay Phil, maybe jb has a point here about that impasse.
Love CeCe
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